FOCIL Breakout #042
Transcript
- Iván | ethrex
Gm!
- Cristian Conache
Gm!
- Justin Traglia
Gm
- soispoke
gm!
- Marc
GM!
- Pellekrab
gM
- NC
- Jihoon
Reacted to "https://github.com/ChainSafe/lodestar/pull/10079" with 👍
- Iván | ethrex
- Jihoon
Reacted to "https://github.com/ethereum/execution-specs/pull/3470" with 👍
- Iván | ethrex
- Jihoon
Reacted to "https://github.com/ethereum/execution-specs/pull/3471" with 👍
- Iván | ethrex
Ah, for the record, we are still ready for devnet-0
- Jihoon
Reacted to "Ah, for the record, we are still ready for devnet-0" with 🔥
- Pellekrab
same
- soispoke
what's the blocker for devnet-0 to launch? so clients that are ready to join can?
- Jihoon
- Marc
we also have implementation of focil + frames but not really tested yet
- Jihoon
Reacted to "we also have implementation of focil + frames but not really tested yet" with 🔥
- Iván | ethrex
Reacted to "we also have impleme..." with 🔥
- Cristian Conache
Reacted to "we also have implementation of focil + frames but not really tested yet" with 🔥
- Justin Florentine (Besu)
@Fabio Di Fabio kinda makes me appreciate the need for recent roots in H*
- Fabio Di Fabio
Reacted to "@Fabio Di Fabio kinda makes me appreciate the need for recent roots in H*" with 👍
- Iván | ethrex
Maybe Hegota devnet once FOCIL <> frames is sorted out?
- soispoke
A réagi à "@Fabio Di Fabio ki..." avec ❤️
- Iván | ethrex
Yes, I’m close to a PR with specs
- soispoke
A réagi à "Yes, I’m close to..." avec 🔥
- Marc
Reacted to "Yes, I’m close to a PR with specs" with 🔥
- Iván | ethrex
I need to double check implementation
- Marc
yep same here
Call summary
Targets
- •Next breakout: discuss FOCIL+frames spec changes, max verify gas benchmarks, and potential VOPS use cases - 00:41:50
Decisions
- •FOCIL devnet-0 will launch once Teku+Lodestar interop issue is resolved; no need to wait for all clients - 00:13:00
- •Two-track approach adopted: continue FOCIL devnet-0 work in parallel with FOCIL+frames spec and interaction design - 00:43:44
Highlights
- Devnet Status:
- ·Teku batching gossip objects into single RPC exceeds Lodestar's 4MB incoming limit; PR open to raise limit to 10MB - 00:04:24
- ·FOCIL devnet-0 minimum bar is 2 EL + 2 CL clients; 3 EL clients ready, waiting on Teku+Lodestar interop fix to launch - 00:10:32
- Focil Frames Interaction:
- ·EIP-8369 (VOPS Profiles for FOCIL Eligibility) defines two profiles: Profile 1 = FOCIL with regular txs, Profile 2 = FOCIL + frame txs - 00:14:36
- ·VOPS state boundary is key trade-off: larger VOPS = more txs benefit from FOCIL guarantees but higher node storage requirements - 00:17:05
- ·Builder index (witness for frame tx omission) mechanism unresolved: unclear if separate object or embedded in existing payload envelope - 00:20:48
- ·Nethermind and ethrex both have untested FOCIL+frames implementations; ethrex spec PR expected within 1–2 weeks - 00:31:33
Action Items
- •Iván | ethrex - ethrex to open spec PR for FOCIL+frames interaction; target: before next breakout - 00:41:25
- •Nethermind, ethrex - Marc and Iván to share FOCIL+frames implementation links in Discord for cross-team review - 00:46:15
Key decisions
FOCIL devnet-0 will launch once Teku+Lodestar interop issue is resolved; no need to wait for all clients
devnet-0Launch after resolving Teku+Lodestar interop issue, without waiting for all clientsTwo-track approach adopted: continue FOCIL devnet-0 work in parallel with FOCIL+frames spec and interaction design
Proceed with devnet work while developing spec and interaction design
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