Native Account Abstraction #006
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- marc | wolovim
- marc | wolovim
gm, 1 more min
- marc | wolovim
- Barnabas
- Barnabas
- lightclient
i think we are good to keep pushing with geth, nethermind, and ethrex
- Daniil Ankushin | Nethermind
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- spencer
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- soispoke
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- Barnabas
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- Marc
happy to add any CFI’d eips
- Daniil Ankushin | Nethermind
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- Barnabas
8250+8272 for sure should be in devnet 1
- spencer
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- Marc
could still include keyed nonces in the next devnet and make changes after?
- marc | wolovim
8250 - keyed nonces: https://forkcast.org/eips/8250/?tab=spec
- Mo Jahanara
Would a migration be possible to PBT, when that arrives?
- lightclient
Replying to "Would a migration be..." it should be
- Mo Jahanara
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- marc | wolovim
- Marc
7906 too?
- Barnabas
I’ll try to get ethrex in
- soispoke
Répondre à "I’ll try to get e..." was talking to them and they said the sooner the better
- spencer
i personally want it, would like to test this sooner rather than later
- Marc
happy to add those too
- Daniil Ankushin | Nethermind
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- Barnabas
ok so frames-devnet-1: 8250 + 8272 + 7906 launching mid next week
- spencer
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- Daniil Ankushin | Nethermind
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- lightclient
maybe like thur next week for devnet? test release earlier next week?
- soispoke
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- spencer
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- Barnabas
Replying to "ok so frames-devnet-..." aim to have eels test out by monday? client images by tuesday launch tuesday/wed?
- lightclient
that gives like 2.5 weeks for hegota-devnet-0
- spencer
Replying to "maybe like thur ne..." can aim for monday?
- Barnabas
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- lightclient
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- spencer
Replying to "maybe like thur ne..." tests^
- Daniil Ankushin | Nethermind
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- Barnabas
would be great if we could have hegota-devnet-0 on the 28th of oct
- Mario Vega
The specs changes were easy on the EL, I think it would be good to have frames and focil interacting asap to test mempool
- soispoke
ethrex is not in the call right?
- spencer
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- soispoke
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- Daniil Ankushin | Nethermind
Replying to "ethrex is not in the..." Can’t see any of them
- Barnabas
can you post the prs pls?
- soispoke
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- marc | wolovim
Matt’s comment: Some other ideas for devnet-1: - Deploy expiry verifier with nick's method: https://github.com/ethereum/EIPs/pull/12387 - Bound cost with `max_fee`: https://github.com/ethereum/EIPs/pull/12414
- spencer
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- lightclient
i’m fine with higher limit
- soispoke
matcha: https://ethresear.ch/t/mempool-account-transaction-capacity-from-historical-activity-matcha/25949
- Daniil Ankushin | Nethermind
500k should be fine I guess
- Daniil Ankushin | Nethermind
At least 300k
- Mo Jahanara
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- soispoke
yeah min 300k
- Mo Jahanara
250k is enough particularly for privacy protocols but tight
- marc | wolovim
https://ethereum-magicians.org/t/eip-8141-frame-transaction/27617/174
- Daniil Ankushin | Nethermind
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- Barnabas
focil devnet 2 maybe
- soispoke
FOCIL is on devnet-1 already because devnet 0 crashed iiuc
- Barnabas
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- Daniil Ankushin | Nethermind
I think it’s ok
- Barnabas
Yeah maybe we can make this call on thursday
- spencer
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- spencer
Replying to "Yeah maybe we can ..." sgtm!
- soispoke
we have the FOCIL breakout
- Anders Elowsson
Hi
- Mario Vega
need to drop
- Lumi | Offchain Labs
Can you share link to the PR
- Lumi | Offchain Labs
Ty
- marc | wolovim
- Bound cost with `max_fee`: https://github.com/ethereum/EIPs/pull/12414
- Lumi | Offchain Labs
Reacted to "- Bound cost with `max_fee`: https://github.com/ethereum/EIPs/pull/12414" with 👍
- Daniil Ankushin | Nethermind
- marc | wolovim
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- marc | wolovim
Call summary
Targets
- •frames-devnet-1 test release — Monday Oct 12; client images Tuesday; launch Thursday Oct 15 - 00:30:17
- •hegota-devnet-0 (frames + FOCIL merged) — October 28, 2026 - 00:32:47
Decisions
- •frames-devnet-1 scope confirmed: EIP-8250 + EIP-8272 + EIP-7906; EIP-8253 and EIP-7979 deferred - 00:27:52
- •Verification prefix limit set to 500K gas for frames-devnet-1 - 00:39:42
- •Separate FOCIL and frames devnets retired once hegota-devnet-0 launches; all future work consolidated under Hegota devnets - 00:43:00
- •Max-fee cost bounding deferred from devnet-1; expiry verifier Nick's method merge proceeds immediately - 00:36:14
- •Daniil's variable-floor verification limit proposal rejected without peer communication mechanism - 00:52:28
Highlights
- Testing Progress:
- ·frames-devnet-0 at 100% finality; spamoor sending ~10 frame transactions per block - 00:14:18
- ·frames-devnet-1 scope: EIP-8250 (keyed nonces), EIP-8272 (recent routes), EIP-7906; target Thursday Oct 15 - 00:27:52
- ·Verification prefix limit raised to 500K gas for devnet-1 testing (floor, not hard limit) - 00:39:42
- Eip Proposals Hegota:
- ·EIP-8250 (keyed nonces via system contract): noted as hacky but no better alternative pre-PBT; migration path confirmed possible - 00:18:47
- ·EIP-8141 change: expiry verifier deployed via Nick's method (vanity address); Matt to merge post-call - 00:34:44
- ·EIP-8141 max-fee cost bounding (from EIP-7999): deferred to devnet-2; Anders reviewed, looks good - 00:34:52
- Focil Frames Strategy:
- ·Plan: frames-devnet-1 → hegota-devnet-0 (frames + FOCIL merged); separate frames/FOCIL devnets retired after merge - 00:31:02
- ·FOCIL already on FOCIL-devnet-1 (devnet-0 crashed); scope for merged devnet to be decided Thursday ACDE - 00:45:26
- Fork Status And Schedule:
- ·Glamsterdam successfully deployed to Sepolia - 00:13:20
- ·Hegota-devnet-0 targeted for October 28; frames + FOCIL merged devnet - 00:43:44
Action Items
- •All teams - Review 13 open PRs against EIP-8141 frames spec before frames-devnet-1 launch - 00:40:27
- •Client teams - Review and respond to Daniil's PR redefining MaxVerifyGas as mempool floor vs. hard limit - 00:53:44
Key decisions
Verification prefix limit set to 500K gas for frames-devnet-1
Verification prefix gas limit configured for frames-devnet-1Separate FOCIL and frames devnets retired once hegota-devnet-0 launches; all future work consolidated under Hegota devnets
FOCIL and frames devnets will be retired after hegota-devnet-0 launchMax-fee cost bounding deferred from devnet-1; expiry verifier Nick's method merge proceeds immediately
Max-fee cost bounding postponed, expiry verifier merge continuesDaniil's variable-floor verification limit proposal rejected without peer communication mechanism
Proposal rejected due to lack of communication mechanism
EIPs discussed
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