Native Account Abstraction #005
Transcript
- lightclient
heyo
- Mega | Lambda
gm
- Anders Elowsson
hi
- Pablo Deymo | Lambda
gm
- marc | wolovim
gm all, getting started 3 mins after the hour
- lightclient
sorry im text only today, booked a flight a couple months ago before we scheduled the breakouts 🙃
- marc | wolovim
Reacted to "sorry im text only today, booked a flight a couple months ago before we scheduled the breakouts 🙃" with 🤝
- Justin Florentine
do we have a "main page" that collects links to latest resources like faucets/kurtosis configs/hive tests etc?
- lightclient
Replying to "do we have a "main page" that collects links to latest resources like faucets/kurtosis configs/hive tests etc?" not one from pandaops yet
- marc | wolovim
- lightclient
Replying to "do we have a "main page" that collects links to latest resources like faucets/kurtosis configs/hive tests etc?" but ethrex has one for their devnet
- marc | wolovim
- marc | wolovim
Shoot I have no audio >.<,
- marc | wolovim
Now I do, switched headphones
- Mega | Lambda
Replying to "do we have a "main p..." https://faucet.privacy.ethrex.xyz/
- spencer
When is frames devnet 0 going to be launched?
- lightclient
Replying to "When is frames devnet 0 going to be launched?"
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- lightclient
i reviewed the execution-apis pr from Ivan, but i domt think eth_simulateFrameTx is the right way. in general, simulateV1 already supports call batching, i think we can make a simulateV2 that adds the frame modes and multidim gas info. The one from Ivan also takes the frame tx RLP which i dont think we should do
- spencer
Reacted to "im waiting for ava..." with 💙
- Justin Florentine
https://github.com/ethereum/execution-specs/tree/eips/amsterdam/eip-8141
- spencer
https://github.com/ethereum/execution-specs/releases#release-tests-frames-devnet@v0.3.0
- Daniil Ankushin | Nethermind
https://github.com/ethereum/execution-specs/releases/tag/tests-frames-devnet@v0.3.0
- spencer
Reacted to "https://github.com..." with 💙
- Mislav | Ethlabs
I can go next - have a reasonably big update with regards to 8130<>8141 harmonization efforts
- lightclient
Reacted to "I can go next - have a reasonably big update with regards to 8130<>8141 harmonization efforts" with 😍
- marc | wolovim
Reacted to "I can go next - have a reasonably big update with regards to 8130<>8141 harmonization efforts" with 👍
- lightclient
i generally like this, my only fear is that there may be unexpected situations as a result of this change? is this too tin foil hat?
- Chris - Base
On max_fee - we are interested (and like it) for 8130 tx type, but we want to have parity with frames here. Today on L2 we already have multi dim fee (L1 data fee) but its a hidden fee (user can't specify a limit)
- Chris - Base
^ thats under 1559
- lightclient
Reacted to "On max_fee - we are interested (and like it) for 8130 tx type, but we want to have parity with frames here. Today on L2 we already have multi dim fee (L1 data fee) but its a hidden fee (user can't specify a limit)" with 👍
- marc | wolovim
Anders’ ethmag comment that this presentation stems from: https://ethereum-magicians.org/t/eip-8141-frame-transaction/27617/172
- lightclient
Reacted to "Anders’ ethmag comment that this presentation stems from: https://ethereum-magicians.org/t/eip-8141-frame-transaction/27617/172" with ❤️
- Daniil Ankushin | Nethermind
@Anders Elowsson where can I read this presentation? 🙏
- Pooja Ranjan
Reacted to "Anders’ ethmag comment that this presentation stems from: https://ethereum-magicians.org/t/eip-8141-frame-transaction/27617/172" with ❤️
- lightclient
sorry we can discuss more later when i have voice. im just afraid to somehow make things worse with max_fee in a way we dont fully understand today
- spencer
could you comment on the main differences between multi dim on frames tx and other txs? how does multi dim fee change with 8037 in both frames vs other txs? i can look in my own time also :)
- Daniil Ankushin | Nethermind
I like it, but need to dive deeper into the topic. At the first glance it works for frames
- Maria Silva
The reservoir would be needed for the legacy transactions that don’t have separate gas limits, I think
- spencer
Reacted to "The reservoir woul..." with 👍
- spencer
multi dim will be proposed for I* right?
- Maria Silva
Replying to "multi dim will be pr..." This is the plan, yes
- spencer
Reacted to "This is the plan, ..." with 💙
- Maria Silva
As a general note, I think it will be great to involve the devs that were working on the gas accounting for 8037 in the frames discussion related to gas accounting. I expect they will have opinions on this
- marc | wolovim
Viem feedback: https://github.com/ethereum/pm/issues/2221#issuecomment-5770817575
- Anders Elowsson
Reacted to "As a general note, I think it will be great to involve the devs that were working on the gas accounting for 8037 in the frames discussion related to gas accounting. I expect they will have opinions on this" with 👍
- marc | wolovim
Ivan’s eth_simulateFrameTransaction proposal: https://github.com/ethereum/execution-apis/pull/894/changes
- Daniil Ankushin | Nethermind
- lightclient
cool stuff
- lightclient
thats fine to me
- lightclient
thanks all! thanks marc
Call summary
Targets
- •frames-devnet-0 launch — pending EthPandaOps availability (post Sep 22, 2026) - 00:14:56
Decisions
- •frames-devnet-0 max verified gas set to 500K (up from 100K default) to support complex test scenarios - 00:49:53
Highlights
- Organizational:
- ·Call moving to bi-weekly cadence - 00:07:04
- ·Daniil requests frames-devnet-0 max verified gas raised from 100K to 500K to enable complex scenario testing; lightclient approves - 00:49:53
- Testing Progress:
- ·Ethrex testnet live 14 days; Ethrex, Geth, Nethermind validating; ~400 frame txs from 21 senders - 00:11:04
- ·Besu not yet on Ethrex testnet; entry requirement is passing latest execution-specs EIP-8141 test release (v0.3.0) - 00:12:40
- ·frames-devnet-0 blocked on EthPandaOps availability; Geth, ethrex, Nethermind ready to participate - 00:15:07
- Community Feedback:
- ·viem (jxom): JSON-RPC for frame txs underspecified; needs eth_estimateGas support, eth_fillTransaction, and simulation (eth_simulateV1 extension or new eth_simulateFrameTransaction) - 00:36:29
- ·lightclient (chat): prefers simulateV2 extending simulateV1 with frame modes and multidim gas; opposes Ivan's raw RLP approach in eth_simulateFrameTransaction PR - 00:11:43
- ·Ethlabs (Mislav): ERC effort to harmonize EIP-8130 + EIP-8141; targets 7906, 7715, 7710, 5792 wallet-call API, clear signing, privacy, cross-chain batching - 00:38:28
- Eip Proposals Multidimensional Fee:
- ·EIP-7999 unified max fee: replace per-resource max fees with single fungible max fee; reduces stale-tx exclusion risk - 00:17:22
- ·State limit in bytes (not gas) proposed: safe across repricing, simpler for wallets, converted to gas at processing time - 00:20:05
- ·EVM gas accounting options: aggregate gas, sub-fee accounting, or full multidimensional with universal overflow channel — 6 total combinations under consideration - 00:21:45
- ·L2 interest (Base): unified max fee useful today — L1 data fee is multidimensional but users currently cannot set a limit - 00:28:20
Action Items
- •Daniil Ankushin (Nethermind) - Open R&D thread on ERC-8403 + EIP-8130 keystore compatibility PR - 00:10:11
- •marc | wolovim - Follow up with EthPandaOps on frames-devnet-0 launch timing; confirm 500K max verified gas config - 00:37:13
- •Frame tx working group - Involve EIP-8037 gas accounting devs in frames multidimensional gas accounting discussion - 00:35:40
Key decisions
frames-devnet-0 max verified gas set to 500K (up from 100K default) to support complex test scenarios
Increase max verified gas to support complex test scenarios on frames-devnet-0
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