AllCoreDevs - Execution #239
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- David (dionysuz)
im helping with the stream today just lmk and ill start it
- David (dionysuz)
gm
- nixo
gm @David (dionysuz) can you make me cohost pls 🙂
- Barnabas
we might have the berling gang arriving a bit later I heard
- David (dionysuz)
Reacted to "gm @David (dionysuz)..." with 👍
- nixo
Reacted to "we might have the berling gang arriving a bit later I heard" with 🇩🇪
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- Jun Song
gm
- nixo
we'll wait til :03 to get started, attendance is light so far
- Mario Vega
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- Mario Havel
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- Mario Vega
Tracker for Devnet-6 EL tests: https://github.com/ethereum/execution-specs/issues/2915
- Nico Flaig
lodestar and teku are ready
- Barnabas
Reacted to "lodestar and teku are ready" with 👍
- Barnabas
Reacted to "lodestar and teku are ready" with 🥦
- Felix (Geth)
geth has it
- Barnabas
Reacted to "geth has it" with 👍
- Ivan | ethrex
Ethrex has 8282 too
- Barnabas
Replying to "geth has it" oh sorry didn’t know that
- Barnabas
Replying to "Ethrex has 8282 too" wait you guys have a glamsterdam-devnet-6 branch?
- Edgar | ethrex
yes
- spencer
Reacted to "yes" with 🔥
- Edgar | ethrex
with many more things from glam 6 tracking issue
- Barnabas
Toni is still using internet explorer 😂
- Ivan | ethrex
Replying to "geth has it" We have it too
- nixo
Reacted to "Toni is still using internet explorer 😂" with 😂
- Ivan | ethrex
Couldn’t test it properly yet
- Edgar | ethrex
Se ha reaccionado a "Toni is still usin..." con 😂
- Potuz
Reacted to "Toni is still using ..." with 😂
- Mario Vega
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- Dragan Rakita
Devp2p versions are not related to forks
- Nico Flaig
Reacted to "Toni is still using ..." with 😂
- Mario Vega
Link to Toni’s PR: https://github.com/ethereum/execution-specs/pull/2900
- Barnabas
Replying to "Toni is still using ..." @Toni Wahrstätter https://github.com/ethereum/pm/issues/2115#issuecomment-4671624471
- Dragan Rakita
Reacted to "Toni is still using ..." with 😂
- Ben Adams
Toni breaking up
- Ivan | ethrex
Replying to "Ethrex has 8282 too" yes!
- Mario Vega
Reacted to "yes!" with 🔥
- Nico Flaig
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- Nico Flaig
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- Nico Flaig
Reacted to "geth has it" with 👍
- felix (eest)
Reacted to "Toni breaking up" with 🤖
- frangio
Reacted to "Toni breaking up" with 🤖
- Barnabas
Toni you should swap internet connections
- Satyajit
Reacted to "Toni breaking up" with 🤖
- Nico Flaig
Reacted to "Toni breaking up" with 🤖
- Felix (Geth)
come off the mountain, man
- Mario Havel
StarlinkDao for toni
- Potuz
Did Dankrad left you his mic when he left?
- Barnabas
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- soispoke
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- felix (eest)
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- Jared Wasinger
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- Nico Flaig
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- Mario Vega
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- David (dionysuz)
we might need fable 5 to transcribe this
- pk910
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- marc | wolovim
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- Mario Havel
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- Jared Wasinger
lol
- Dragan Rakita
Or not 😄
- FLCL
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- spencer
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- Marc
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- Barnabas
Toni and Dragan has quantum entanglement between their neurons
- Trent Van Epps
Just put the comment here toni
- spencer
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- Dragan Rakita
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- felix (eest)
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- Toni Wahrstätter
the tldr is we should take a decision today or asap to not delay it further
- Toni Wahrstätter
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- Toni Wahrstätter
This is the PR: https://github.com/ethereum/execution-specs/pull/2900
- my perspective in here https
//discord.com/channels/595666850260713488/1506543443172921464/1516447234349207833
- Maria Silva
If we need to change it anyways, we should pick the most optimized version
- Ben Adams
Can we have the alternative alternative written up?
- Dragan Rakita
Reacted to "If we need to change..." with ➕
- Mario Vega
@Dragan Rakita what’s your alternative proposal?
- Toni Wahrstätter
Let's decide on ACDT at the latest?
- Dragan Rakita
Replying to "@Dragan Rakita what’..." Move balance and call stack check before loading target
- Mario Vega
Reacted to "Move balance and cal..." with 👍🏼
- ignacio
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- Stefan Starflinger
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- Toni Wahrstätter
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- Toni Wahrstätter
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- Ben Adams
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- Barnabas
Please note that if you want to implement glamsterdam-devnet-6 branch and you are an EL dev, you can find the 2 new system contracts here: https://github.com/ethpandaops/ethereum-genesis-generator/pull/297 These are most likely not the final system contracts, but they will be used for devnet-6. We updated the notes page also with this!
- Marius Van Der Wijden (M)
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- Ivan | ethrex
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- Nico Flaig
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- Edgar | ethrex
Se ha reaccionado a "Please note that i..." con 👍
- marc | wolovim
Zsolt’s PR introducing 8304: https://github.com/ethereum/EIPs/pull/11811
- Dragan Rakita
Have left summary of three option on balance/call stack limit check and BAL/warm inclusion in discord https://discord.com/channels/595666850260713488/745077610685661265/1517173399695261868
- nixo
Reacted to "Have left summary of three option on balance/call stack limit check and BAL/warm inclusion in discord https://discord.com/channels/595666850260713488/745077610685661265/1517173399695261868" with 🙏
- Marius Van Der Wijden (M)
Big fan of the idea! I don't know if we have space in the fork, I would rank frames higher, but its a good feature
- Mario Vega
Reacted to "Big fan of the idea!..." with 🔥
- Tamaghna Chourdhuri
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- Ivan | ethrex
Reacted to "Big fan of the idea!..." with 🔥
- Csaba
Performance numbers look really nice for providing exclusion proofs.
- Tamaghna Chourdhuri
Replying to "Big fan of the idea!..." This proposal is also very reachable per say and much easier to implement that the previous 7745 design
- Marius Van Der Wijden (M)
What is 7645?
- marc | wolovim
- Marius Van Der Wijden (M)
Reacted to 7645: https://eips.e... with "👍"
- Potuz
Replying to "Big fan of the idea!..." I assume frames don't change implementation complexity of 8304 right?
- nixo
https://github.com/ethereum/pm/issues/2115#issuecomment-4739713978
- nixo
https://ethereum-magicians.org/t/mascot-needed-for-glamsterdam-upgrade/26008
- Marius Van Der Wijden (M)
Replying to "Big fan of the idea!..." I don't think so
- Barnabas
Could we maybe use the rest of the call to discuss any potential open PRs for devnet 6 scope? We have a tons of them, so would be a useful way to possibly hash out some open questions that ppl might still have, before we merge everything in ?
- marc | wolovim
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- Zsolt Felföldi
Replying to "Big fan of the idea!..." Agree on frames being very important but I don't see a reason why not both.
- Ivan | ethrex
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- Nico Flaig
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- Simon (@siladu) | Besu
Reacted to "https://ethereum-magicians.org/t/mascot-needed-for-glamsterdam-upgrade/26008" with 🐻❄️
- Marius Van Der Wijden (M)
Replying to "Big fan of the idea!..." Actually it might, depending if frames are changing the receipts
- Marius Van Der Wijden (M)
Replying to "Big fan of the idea!..." But 8304 is pretty generic
- spencer
I want a disco ball mascot :D
- spencer
Replying to "I want a disco bal..." No emoji though
- spencer
Reacted to "No emoji though" with 🏀
- Edgar | ethrex
Respondiendo a "I want a disco bal..." 🪩
- Felix (Geth)
geth is in favor of hamster mascot
- Marius Van Der Wijden (M)
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- spencer
Reacted to "🪩" with ☝️
- spencer
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- Zsolt Felföldi
Replying to "Big fan of the idea!..." Maybe the position info would require an extra field (tx index, frame index, log index?) But I don't see it as a potential problem.
- Jared Wasinger
Reacted to "geth is in favor of ..." with ➕
- Pooja Ranjan
- Marius Van Der Wijden (M)
Replying to "geth is in favor of ..." Not all of geth
- Barnabas
How dare you Nixo?
- Felix (Geth)
I was just joking Nixo
- Marius Van Der Wijden (M)
Replying to "geth is in favor of ..." I am signaling descent
- Mario Havel
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- Bosul Mun
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- Ben Adams
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- Trent Van Epps
The joke tone needs to come through a little stronger lol
- Barnabas
https://notes.ethereum.org/@ethpandaops/glamsterdam-devnet-6
- nixo
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- Bosul Mun
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- Barnabas
- Marius Van Der Wijden (M)
Gtg for geth
- Zsolt Felföldi
Replying to "Big fan of the idea!..." The actual receipt format will affect the API (proof format) but not the protocol changes.
- Mario Vega
This comment needs to be merged I think: https://github.com/ethereum/EIPs/pull/11760/changes#r3428747720
- cayman
Replying to "This comment needs t..." merged
- Potuz
We also want the one on equivocations right?
- Mario Vega
Reacted to "merged" with 🔥
- spencer
Reacted to "merged" with 🔥
- Marius Van Der Wijden (M)
I thought it was about the request id
- Nico Flaig
Reacted to "merged" with 🔥
- Barnabas
- spencer
I think this was the initial change: https://github.com/ethereum/EIPs/compare/master...nerolation:EIPs:toni/state-access
- Nico Flaig
Replying to "We also want the one..." didn't we merge that already?
- Mario Vega
There’s a thread on discord atm
- spencer
Maybe we decide who PRs in the thread: https://discord.com/channels/595666850260713488/1517173399695261868
- spencer
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- Stefan Starflinger
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- Marius Van Der Wijden (M)
Ah okay, sorry
- Ben Adams
Prefer No change (current impl) or Dragan proposal
- Barnabas
Replying to "I think this was the..." would be really good to have a pr number at least lol
- Barnabas
Replying to "I think this was the..." so we can ref it
- ignacio
Replying to "Prefer No change (cu..." Link to discussion https://discord.com/channels/595666850260713488/745077610685661265/1517173399695261868
- ignacio
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- Marius Van Der Wijden (M)
Are we counting Saturday as workday?
- Barnabas
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- Edgar | ethrex
Se ha reaccionado a "Are we counting Sa..." con 😂
- Barnabas
Replying to "Are we counting Satu..." aren’t you german ser?
- spencer
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- spencer
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- Edgar | ethrex
Se ha reaccionado a "Lazy f*cks" con 😂
- felix (eest)
can we ban all germans from making jokes
- Dragan Rakita
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- nixo
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- spencer
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- Marius Van Der Wijden (M)
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- Dragan Rakita
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- danceratopz
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- Ben Adams
Replying to "Are we counting Satu..." Saturday is a double work day; more efficient time packing without meetings
- emma (reth)
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- nixo
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- Barnabas
- Łukasz Rozmej
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- Ben Adams
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- Greg K | Lido
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- Mario Vega
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- Barnabas
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- felix (eest)
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- Potuz
what were the churn numbers for builder entry?
- Potuz
did we agree on those?
- Barnabas
Justin and Toni fighting for worst internet of the call
- Stefan Starflinger
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- abc-123-c
Sorry for being late, but could everyone please take a look at these two EIPs for me? These are just two small EIPs I wanted to propose to Hegota:
- Nico Flaig
Replying to "what were the churn ..." 256 max, 32 target
- Dragan Rakita
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- abc-123-c
- Potuz
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- Marius Van Der Wijden (M)
Short call lfg
Call summary
Targets
- •glamsterdam-devnet-6 launch — mid-week, week of June 23, 2026 - 00:12:20
- •Alpha 11 CL specs + EL tests — Monday, June 23, 2026 - 00:12:29
- •All devnet-6 PRs merged + CL Alpha 11 release — Friday/Monday for Wednesday devnet-6 launch - 01:05:00
Decisions
- •EIP-8282 added as CFI to Glamsterdam; no objections raised on call - 00:13:17
- •EIP-7928 soft-committed using Tony's proposal as default; teams to review Dragon's alternative async; final decision by end of week to meet devnet-6 Monday test deadline - 00:25:57
- •EIP-7937 state gas refund and Create charging changes merged; spec for devnet-6 - 00:30:41
- •EIP-7645 (alias ORIGIN to SENDER) CFI'd to Hegota; EIP-8304 (Trustless Log Index) PFI'd to Hegota - 00:49:59
Highlights
- Eip Proposals Hegota:
- ·EIP-8304 (Trustless Log/Tx Index): sorted SSZ tables per block in system contract; <2% block processing overhead; proof generation ~17ms avg; PFI'd - 00:33:40
- ·EIP-7645 (alias ORIGIN to SENDER): removes pre-AA tech debt; ORIGIN use being exploited in the wild; CFI'd to Hegota - 00:47:30
- ·EIP-2488 (deprecate CALLCODE opcode): presenter absent; deferred to next call for presentation - 00:47:30
- Fork Status And Schedule:
- ·glamsterdam-devnet-5 at 95% participation; Prysm and Nimbus nodes still offline - 00:11:53
- ·glamsterdam-devnet-6 targeting mid-next-week; Alpha 11 CL specs + EL tests due Monday; missing stable container/SSZ EIP on CL side - 00:12:14
- ·EIP-7904 (compute repricing) converted to informational EIP; all clients exceed 100M gas/sec; no repricings needed for Glamsterdam - 00:27:10
- Glamsterdam Spec Changes:
- ·EIP-8282 (validator/builder queue separation): 2 CL implementations ready; awaiting 1 EL implementation; CFI added to Glamsterdam Meta EIP - 00:13:17
- ·EIP-8189 (Snap2 networking): Geth, Besu, ethrex progressing; proposed for inclusion in Glamsterdam or Hegota Meta EIP - 00:16:43
- ·EIP-7928 (BAL state access restructuring): soft-committed to Tony's proposal; Dragon's alternative (move balance+call-stack check before loading target) also under consideration; decision async by end of week - 00:17:07
- ·EIP-7937 state gas refund flow updated: refunds now return to gas-left first, then reservoir; Create charging now unconditional with end-of-execution refill; merging today for devnet-6 - 00:28:13
Action Items
- •All EL client teams - Review Dragan's three-option summary for EIP-7928 BAL state access ordering; respond async by end of day (EU teams by tomorrow morning) - 00:25:57
- •nixo - Merge EIP-8282 into Glamsterdam Meta EIP (8081) following no objections on call - 00:14:29
Key decisions
EIP-8282 added as CFI to Glamsterdam; no objections raised on call
IncludedEIP-7928 soft-committed using Tony's proposal as default; teams to review Dragon's alternative async; final decision by end of week to meet devnet-6 Monday test deadline
PFITo meet devnet-6 Monday test deadlineEIP-7937 state gas refund and Create charging changes merged; spec for devnet-6
SFIFor devnet-6
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